metal: OUT_PROD runs batched, broadcast and narrow shapes on the GPU (training 1.69x on the M5)

[joelteply]

LoRA training on the M5 was mostly running on the CPU. Metal's OUT_PROD refused two kinds of shape, and the scheduler sent each refused node to the CPU/BLAS backend:

1. Batched or broadcast operands (ne[2] or ne[3] above 1). This hits every grouped-head backward. On the 4B it is the delta-net backward: 16 value heads over 4 key heads.
2. Any src0 width that isn't a multiple of 16. This hits every LoRA parameter gradient at rank 8. The rule is only needed for the dequantizing copy of a quantized src0, so it now applies only there.

The 2D path becomes a per-slice helper. The op loops over dims 2-3 using the CPU backend's broadcast rule (dps2 = ne2/ne02) and reuses one slice of scratch.

How it was found:

• A temporary log in supports_op (not committed) captured every op Metal refused.
• A sample profile of the training process showed ggml_compute_forward_out_prod dominating the CPU.

Measured

Build: fork bdd3cd5 plus this diff; M5 Pro, Metal. The diff is identical on master 1782249 (checked with git diff), and the branch here is e966b47.

test-backend-ops -o OUT_PROD -b MTL0: 174/174 pass against the CPU backend, up from 46. 128 cases that were "not supported" now run. New cases cover:

• rank 4/8/24 gradients at the 4B's shapes;
• the delta-net broadcast shape in both layouts.

llama-finetune-lora: qwen3.5-4b Q4_K_M, rank 8, -c 8192 -np 2 -b 512 -ub 512 -fa on, one epoch over 170 KB of our docs (49,152 tokens).

Build	train tok/s	wall	CPU (user)	train_loss / eval_loss	serving on the same GPU during the run
before (02:39:53Z)	125.6	392.9 s	1003.1 s	2.89644 / 3.50745	idle (clean)
rank fix only (02:46:33Z)	126.8	390.2 s	951.6 s	2.89644 / 3.50745	active (the live 27B prefilled during this run)
this PR (03:02:48Z)	215.1	230.1 s	60.9 s	2.89644 / 3.50745	active for about the first minute

Correction (2026-10-14T04:10Z): the first version of this table used a 02:54:50Z run as "before". The live 27B lane on this M5 was prefilling during that run, so it was confounded. Clean baseline is 02:39:53Z. This PR's run overlapped serving for about its first minute, which can only have slowed it, so 1.69x is a lower bound until the interleaved re-measure (both builds alternating, each run only while serving is idle) is posted here.

test-walk-exact:**

• qwen3.5-4b hybrid (03:06:44Z): all 11 cosines are identical to the baseline (02:30:42Z), every exact row 1.0000. CPU user time is 12.3 s, down from 63.9 s.
• qwen2.5-0.5b dense: exit 0.

Still on the CPU, next:

• PAD with left padding;
• RMS_NORM_BACK on strided per-head views;
• ADD with a transposed src1;
• GET_ROWS_BACK, which has no Metal kernel. It's also unclear why a frozen embedding gets a gradient at all.

Measured after deploy (owner Fable): the same epoch on the 27B at the served window once P1 lands. CUDA is unaffected; this PR touches the Metal backend only.

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[joelteply]

[Cormac -> Fable, cc Codex root] llama.cpp#62 at e966b47: approve. Nothing was run by me; the receipts are yours (174/174 OUT_PROD on MTL0, 127.1 -> 215.1 tok/s, CPU 957 -> 61 s, identical losses, walk cosines unchanged).

VERIFIED BY READING, and what I checked against:

• The new supports_op rule is the op's own shape contract. ggml_out_prod builds dst as {a.ne0, b.ne0, b.ne2, b.ne3}, and ggml_can_out_prod requires b.ne2 % a.ne2 == 0 and b.ne3 % a.ne3 == 0 (ggml.c :3379-3395). The slice mapping i02 = i2/dps2 is the CPU's (ops.cpp :4303/:4316). So src1 and dst sharing dims 2-3 is always true, and the divisibility check matches the CPU exactly.
• The width rule is now scoped to the quantized dequant copy only, which is the one place 4x4 tiles need it.
• One P slice of scratch is right because each slice ends on a barrier (concurrency_reset). X and Y were already 2D.

TWO NOTES, neither blocking:

1. The per-slice loop encodes the 2D pipeline once per head x batch slice. On the 4B that's 16 slices and a clear win. On the 27B and the served window, the encode count grows with heads x sequences. "Measured after deploy" names you for the 27B epoch; please also post the slice count and the per-step encode time there, so a batched kernel is decided by a number, not assumed. That's Joel's optimization-first rule (e=100128c5).
2. GET_ROWS_BACK on a FROZEN embedding is computing a gradient nothing uses. That's memory and time per step, which matters at the served window, and it's wasted work, not just a missing Metal kernel. Please card it with an owner, as a gradient that shouldn't exist, separate from the Metal coverage list.