diff --git a/public/subtitles/ep76.srt b/public/subtitles/ep76.srt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..67c64d5 --- /dev/null +++ b/public/subtitles/ep76.srt @@ -0,0 +1,680 @@ +1 +00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,720 +为什么说像是这样一个听起来没有什么 + +2 +00:00:03,740 --> 00:00:06,180 +智力听起来非常廉价的 + +3 +00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:07,990 +一个模型它能够这么火呢 + +4 +00:00:11,300 --> 00:00:12,200 +大家好 这里是 + +5 +00:00:12,220 --> 00:00:13,280 +AsyncTalk 我是 + +6 +00:00:13,300 --> 00:00:13,820 +AsyncTalk + +7 +00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:14,570 +主播 AnnatarHe + +8 +00:00:14,740 --> 00:00:17,800 +今天的话我想来聊一个前几天 + +9 +00:00:17,820 --> 00:00:19,650 +非常火的一个模型叫Jev + +10 +00:00:20,020 --> 00:00:21,650 +首先呢 Jev是什么呢 + +11 +00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:22,840 +Jev的话它就是 + +12 +00:00:22,860 --> 00:00:25,260 +一个非常非常快的 + +13 +00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,800 +只用来去判断非常简单的东西 + +14 +00:00:27,820 --> 00:00:29,760 +比如说苹果能不能吃 + +15 +00:00:29,780 --> 00:00:31,740 +就这种非常简单的问题 + +16 +00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:33,620 +然后它可以比Flash + +17 +00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,440 +快更多更多的速度来去返回 + +18 +00:00:36,460 --> 00:00:39,820 +这就是它和其他大模型非常不一样的地方 + +19 +00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,260 +因为我们回忆一下传统的大模型的话 + +20 +00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,640 +比如说像是目前最顶级的 + +21 +00:00:44,660 --> 00:00:47,040 +像是GPT-6系列 + +22 +00:00:47,060 --> 00:00:48,380 +比如说像是 + +23 +00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,100 +Claude Opus Fable + +24 +00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,320 +他们所有的这些模型 + +25 +00:00:52,340 --> 00:00:55,560 +最主要就是想要一步一步的提升智能 + +26 +00:00:55,580 --> 00:00:57,620 +提升思考的深度 + +27 +00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:58,540 +但Jev的话 + +28 +00:00:58,560 --> 00:00:59,700 +它是走另一条路 + +29 +00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,120 +它只做一些非常简单的判断 + +30 +00:01:02,140 --> 00:01:04,040 +但它可以做得很快 + +31 +00:01:04,060 --> 00:01:05,120 +可以做得很好 + +32 +00:01:05,140 --> 00:01:07,620 +我相信如果你有观看我们 + +33 +00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:08,560 +AsyncTalk节目的话 + +34 +00:01:08,580 --> 00:01:09,820 +你大概就是一个程序员 + +35 +00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,600 +那程序员我们里边可以说 + +36 +00:01:12,620 --> 00:01:14,900 +最重要的一个语句就是if了 + +37 +00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,560 +那if A我们执行A条件 + +38 +00:01:17,580 --> 00:01:19,300 +执行A分支 + +39 +00:01:19,320 --> 00:01:21,160 +那如果不是if的话 + +40 +00:01:21,180 --> 00:01:22,520 +那我们就执行B条件 + +41 +00:01:22,540 --> 00:01:24,720 +那其实我们按照这个思想的话 + +42 +00:01:24,740 --> 00:01:25,500 +我们来做 + +43 +00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:26,840 +Coding agent的时候 + +44 +00:01:26,860 --> 00:01:30,220 +是会经常出现这样的情况的 + +45 +00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,320 +那我举一个例子 + +46 +00:01:31,340 --> 00:01:32,200 +那比如说用户 + +47 +00:01:32,220 --> 00:01:33,640 +他有一个prompt是说 + +48 +00:01:33,660 --> 00:01:34,880 +帮我拿个手机 + +49 +00:01:34,900 --> 00:01:37,060 +那拿个手机是拿哪个手机呢 + +50 +00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:38,780 +如果是拿A手机的话 + +51 +00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:39,320 +应该怎么样 + +52 +00:01:39,340 --> 00:01:40,600 +如果是拿B手机的话 + +53 +00:01:40,620 --> 00:01:41,100 +应该怎么样 + +54 +00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:42,500 +那这个如果的判断 + +55 +00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:43,400 +是应该怎么做呢 + +56 +00:01:43,420 --> 00:01:45,540 +那对于我们普通的大模型来说的话 + +57 +00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,460 +你可能需要去定一个 + +58 +00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:48,440 +output structure + +59 +00:01:48,460 --> 00:01:51,160 +然后对返回的一个JSON + +60 +00:01:51,180 --> 00:01:52,080 +做一个处理 + +61 +00:01:52,100 --> 00:01:55,140 +然后再去看这个意向 + +62 +00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:56,540 +到底是A还是B + +63 +00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,140 +你需要走一遍完整的大模型 + +64 +00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:59,460 +其实一方面的话 + +65 +00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,800 +它耗时会稍微有点久 + +66 +00:02:01,820 --> 00:02:02,940 +那另一方面的话 + +67 +00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:04,100 +其实成本也比较高 + +68 +00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:05,940 +那对于我们传统的大模型来说的话 + +69 +00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:07,220 +它是token by token的 + +70 +00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:08,940 +这样一个计算和计费 + +71 +00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:10,960 +对于Jev这种模式来说的话 + +72 +00:02:10,980 --> 00:02:12,160 +它就变得不一样了 + +73 +00:02:12,180 --> 00:02:14,100 +它就是用来去做这种简单的判断 + +74 +00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,820 +它不再需要像我们传统的大模型一样 + +75 +00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:18,570 +过一遍完整的 + +76 +00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:21,620 +漫长的一个用户的意图识别 + +77 +00:02:21,640 --> 00:02:23,000 +当然它也不是我们 + +78 +00:02:23,020 --> 00:02:24,640 +纯工程上面的 + +79 +00:02:24,660 --> 00:02:25,820 +一个if condition + +80 +00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,970 +a到一个a branch + +81 +00:02:28,300 --> 00:02:30,560 +这样一个纯工程的方面 + +82 +00:02:30,580 --> 00:02:34,040 +毕竟我们中间还是需要去调用 + +83 +00:02:34,060 --> 00:02:35,760 +AI来理解一下用户的意图 + +84 +00:02:35,780 --> 00:02:38,300 +那这个时候Jev的话就非常的合适 + +85 +00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,100 +除了这个比较简单的用户的意图的识别 + +86 +00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:43,060 +还有什么场景呢 + +87 +00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,250 +那放在我们的AI agent + +88 +00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:46,840 +因为现在其实我们的 + +89 +00:02:46,860 --> 00:02:48,680 +agent已经变得非常的复杂了 + +90 +00:02:48,700 --> 00:02:50,820 +他从最开始的一些分析 + +91 +00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:52,260 +到中间的执行 + +92 +00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:53,720 +到最后的结果展示 + +93 +00:02:53,740 --> 00:02:56,380 +中间是有非常大量的这种 + +94 +00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,440 +简单的if 逻辑在里面的 + +95 +00:02:58,460 --> 00:02:59,560 +比如说我们的Coding agent + +96 +00:02:59,580 --> 00:03:01,620 +那这个文件它是不是 + +97 +00:03:01,640 --> 00:03:02,680 +TypeScript的文件 + +98 +00:03:02,700 --> 00:03:04,440 +这种判断的话 + +99 +00:03:04,460 --> 00:03:05,420 +它也可以交给AI + +100 +00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,340 +所以交给这样这种快速决断的模型来说 + +101 +00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,410 +就变得非常的合适 + +102 +00:03:11,660 --> 00:03:13,980 +还有一个场景就是验证一切的场景 + +103 +00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,920 +当我们在这调用agent + +104 +00:03:15,940 --> 00:03:17,340 +来去做一些事情的时候 + +105 +00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,580 +在这些非常多的步骤完成之后的话 + +106 +00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,060 +我们是有一个验证的过程 + +107 +00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,660 +但是其实我们并不能验证所有的流程 + +108 +00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,880 +因为它会把你的时间拉得非常长 + +109 +00:03:26,900 --> 00:03:28,700 +同样的话它也非常消耗token + +110 +00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,220 +但是如果我们有Jev这样的模型的话 + +111 +00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:32,540 +它就可以非常快速的 + +112 +00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,380 +来去进行一些简单的校验 + +113 +00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,320 +这样的话我们最终得到的 + +114 +00:03:37,340 --> 00:03:38,620 +工作的效率也会更好 + +115 +00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,600 +那接下来我来展示一下这个Jev模型 + +116 +00:03:41,620 --> 00:03:43,200 +它有什么应用 + +117 +00:03:43,220 --> 00:03:45,360 +以及它大概会是长什么样子 + +118 +00:03:45,380 --> 00:03:47,450 +那这里我来问他一个问题就是 + +119 +00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:49,450 +苹果可以被吃吗 + +120 +00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:52,340 +好 我们问一下 + +121 +00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,300 +他回答99%的概率可以被吃 + +122 +00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,910 +那我们问另外一个问题 比如说 + +123 +00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,270 +我可以买沪深300吗 + +124 +00:04:05,980 --> 00:04:08,740 +他给的概率是大概46% 47%的样子 + +125 +00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,530 +那我再问一下 我应该买 + +126 +00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,640 +他也给个大概44的样子 + +127 +00:04:16,660 --> 00:04:18,150 +会比沪深300要低一些 + +128 +00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,300 +他给了中规中矩大概53那样子 + +129 +00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,400 +那其实我的上下文非常的少 + +130 +00:04:25,420 --> 00:04:27,460 +我只是问他说我是不是应该出去玩 + +131 +00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,640 +我并没有告诉他我的地址在哪里 + +132 +00:04:29,660 --> 00:04:30,560 +我的时间在哪里 + +133 +00:04:30,580 --> 00:04:31,620 +我的假期在哪里 + +134 +00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,040 +他能给出来就是 + +135 +00:04:33,060 --> 00:04:35,900 +一个非常快速的一个简单的判断 + +136 +00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,660 +当我们在增加更多的上下文的时候 + +137 +00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,600 +他会得出来一些更加准确的判断 + +138 +00:04:41,620 --> 00:04:43,240 +那当然Jev这么好的话 + +139 +00:04:43,260 --> 00:04:46,340 +那他是不是可以用来去取代 + +140 +00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,540 +所有的这种简单的判断呢 + +141 +00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,240 +他是不是足够可靠呢 + +142 +00:04:50,260 --> 00:04:51,860 +但其实并不是 + +143 +00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,340 +他像所有的大模型一样 + +144 +00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:54,620 +他同样是有幻觉的 + +145 +00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,920 +他只是做的问题比较简单 + +146 +00:04:56,940 --> 00:04:58,560 +他的反应速度比较快 + +147 +00:04:58,580 --> 00:05:01,260 +但他其实没办法完全避免幻觉 + +148 +00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:02,320 +因为幻觉这个东西 + +149 +00:05:02,340 --> 00:05:04,340 +人类也非常经常的有幻觉 + +150 +00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,320 +这是一个其实很难解决的问题 + +151 +00:05:06,340 --> 00:05:08,520 +当然我们需要承认说 + +152 +00:05:08,540 --> 00:05:11,440 +他的这条路线非常的有趣 + +153 +00:05:11,460 --> 00:05:14,040 +和我们现在主流的AI发展并不一样 + +154 +00:05:14,060 --> 00:05:16,800 +它给我们提供了另一种可能性 + +155 +00:05:16,820 --> 00:05:18,140 +这点我们要支持 + +156 +00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:19,540 +它可以用来去替代一些 + +157 +00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,700 +比较简单的用户的判断 + +158 +00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,540 +大家也可以下来去使用一下 + +159 +00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,160 +然后它现在的这个Waitlist + +160 +00:05:27,180 --> 00:05:29,100 +应该是已经完全开放了 + +161 +00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,720 +你可以拿来去试一试看一看 + +162 +00:05:31,740 --> 00:05:34,300 +是否可以去接入一些简单的工作流 + +163 +00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,250 +然后来提升一些效率 + +164 +00:05:37,700 --> 00:05:38,970 +降低一些成本 + +165 +00:05:39,390 --> 00:05:41,240 +那也欢迎在评论区来留下你的看法 + +166 +00:05:41,260 --> 00:05:45,020 +你认为说这样一条非常规的AI发展路线 + +167 +00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:46,700 +是不是另一种路 + +168 +00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,000 +或者说你怎么样看 + +169 +00:05:48,020 --> 00:05:50,300 +这样的一种快速决断的模型 + +170 +00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,190 +那我们下期节目再见拜拜 + diff --git a/src/assets/ep76/cover.jpeg b/src/assets/ep76/cover.jpeg new file mode 100644 index 0000000..e7c7bdc Binary files /dev/null and b/src/assets/ep76/cover.jpeg differ diff --git a/src/content/posts/ep76.mdx b/src/content/posts/ep76.mdx new 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+ +它不聊天、不写长文,只回答简单的问题:是或否、多选一、打分。端到端 70–500 毫秒返回,输入每百万 token 0.042 美元,输出免费。 + +我们从程序员最熟悉的 if 讲起: + +- 让大模型做一个「是或否」的判断,要定输出结构、解析 JSON、按 token 计费,又慢又贵 +- 纯代码的 if 又理解不了用户意图 +- Jev 正好卡在两者中间 + +然后聊它在 AI Agent 里的用法:意图识别、「这是不是 TypeScript 文件」这类判断、每一步的快速校验。现场实测了几个问题(苹果能不能吃、该不该买沪深 300、今天要不要出去玩)。最后说说它的局限:快、便宜,但不一定更准,同样会有幻觉。 + +你怎么看这种「快速决断」的模型?欢迎在评论区聊聊。 + +### ⏰ Timeline + +00:00 开场:一个“没什么智力”的模型为什么火了? + +00:19 Jev 是什么 + +01:05 程序员最重要的语句:if + +01:22 让大模型做 if,贵在哪? + +02:09 Jev 的位置 + +02:38 Agent 里的大量 if + +03:38 实测 Jev + +04:41 它足够可靠吗? + +05:21 试一试 & 你怎么看 + +### 📊 数据来源 + +片中延迟、成本、准确率数据来自 TypeSafe 公布的 System One 基准,引自: + +- DataCamp: [https://www.datacamp.com/blog/system-one-models-jev](https://www.datacamp.com/blog/system-one-models-jev) +- RuntimeWire: [https://runtimewire.com/article/typesafe-jev-system-one-ai-model-early-access](https://runtimewire.com/article/typesafe-jev-system-one-ai-model-early-access) +- NYU Shanghai RITS: [https://rits.shanghai.nyu.edu/ai/typesafe-jev-system-one-model](https://rits.shanghai.nyu.edu/ai/typesafe-jev-system-one-model)